The men and women of the Left mostly did not start off as their descendants are today. They looked at the horrors of WWI trench warfare, WWII bombings and the Holocaust, SS, Japanese Militarism atrocities, and MAD and thought of ways to stop things from happening. Ways that were "morally pure" and would "work" because their old ways had not worked obviously. What they came up with was destruction of the nation-state and replacement with ... the EU or UN.

Neither organization will EVER launch a war of aggression. But it won't stop say bin Laden from taking over Pakistan, using it's nuclear arsenal to conduct terror-nuke bombings of American cities killing tens of millions and guaranteeing a war of survival between Muslims and Americans.

- fwallace on the Belmont Club discussing a thread on patiotism.